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Please help with conservative Brother-in-law

Thu Feb 03, 2005 at 10:27:49 AM PDT

I am having an ongoing e-mail conversation with my conservative (although somewhat thoughtful) brother-in-law.  We often poke fun at each other ("you liberal pansy" - "you brainwashed conservative sheep"), but the tone this morning took an unfortunate turn.  I need some help.  I want to preserve this relationship, but also want him to understand my point of view.
Here is his first e-mail to me this a.m.:

Nice State of the Union. Bush is so honest and provocative - such optimism. I think he may be the new messiah!

But seriously, the Iraqi election must have really upset you since it was so successful and sent a powerful message to the world. If  we can succeed in the next couple of steps within the next 2 -3 years. You're going to have a hard time being as negative as you are now. The message that is being sent may be the message that has saved the human race - the power and absolute importance of freedom. Iran is the next to fall, but it is absolutely necessary that the move is unequivocally unilateral. I know this is scary to you, but its because you live in a mental utopian la-la land. The fact is it takes pain to get there, and the pain of delaying things until the long-term (as blind pacifists like you would conject), would actually cause much, much more pain. It's just easier to ignore it. The deficit does not worry me. We have been much worse off in history if you do your reading and understand ratios.

What do the kids think? I hope your not subconsciously brain washing them with your negativity.

Here is my reply (keep in mind that I was pissed this morning):

I am actually encouraged by the election.   As to its "success,"  I think that has yet to be determined, don't you?  Tell me it is successful next year after our troops have left (yeah, right) - and I may agree with you.

    The fact that you are advocating war against Iran to try to accomplish "freedom" scares the shit out of me.  That, of course, will be a much larger undertaking.  Moreover, when and if this country goes to war in Iran, it will be without me and my family: we will leave - I won't be a part of that fucking bullshit - if we continue to go to war, there will be a draft - my children's lives (they will be of draft age soon enough) are NOT going to be subject to George Fuckhead Bush's whims and fancies.  At that point, it won't be just George, it will be that we simply don't belong here anymore - too many people like George who are willing to blindly follow him - and they will apparently elect someone just like him next time - then my children will CERTAINlY be of draft age.  I have heard it said before (I think even by you) that if people like me don't agree with the "party line" they should leave and go see what other countries are like.  Your blind acceptance that "Amurca" is the best damn place there ever was" is simply that:  blind acceptance - a refusal to see the bad parts as well as the good parts of this country - and is sadly typical of many.  We will not be a part of that attitude - and if that is what this country is becoming, we will quietly pack and leave - as many that I personally know have planned to do or have in fact, already done.  The rest of you can go down with the ship.

    I didn't see the SOTU last night - had a cub scout committee meeting.  The deficit still scares the shit out of me - you and I will always differ on that issue.

    My children are encouraged to think for themselves - they are presented both sides of any argument - they also know where I stand.  Most of their friends' parents think much the same as do we - most of whom are educated professionals.  Therefore, most of the children's thoughts are similar to ours.  I don't call it "brainwashing"  - that is reserved for idiot Rush Limbaugh dittoheads and blind "Bush is Lord" followers - I call it looking at the facts and coming to a logical conclusion.

Finally, here is his reply to me:

Iran will have to be a world effort, not just America. Where are you guys going to go that is better. I hear New Zealand is pretty cool, although France seems like the right place for a guy with your views. Something tells me that wherever you go, the country will be free that's for sure. Maybe you guys should move to Iran or North Korea and see what it is like then decide whether you want America to step in. I'm sorry you take the concept of human freedom for granted and don't feel that others in the world who want it are worthy of our strength and support. We are the only ones who can help them. The fact is most Iraqis are glad America has done what it has done at this point. They felt the first taste of it this week and are euphoric - dancing in the streets, crying from pure happiness after often walking many miles with the threat of death to vote for their next leaders. It's too bad you don't feel that way too. It brings a tear to my eye. I feel proud to be an American. We have given much, much more to the world than any other country, ever. We sure as hell deserve a big say on how to deal with evil regimes, since we have saved the world from a few in the past.  

I was thinking that I would go somewhat sarcastic on him:

"Maybe you guys should move to Iran or North Korea" - a typical response - I had hoped for something more thoughtful.  

However, in my mind, this really is a case of my brother-in-law "being blind" to the facts, and just quoting b.s. that he has heard way too many times.

any suggestions?  Thanks.

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